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Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.18 13:42:00 - [1] So yesterday my corp invited a friend, we thought we knew him, into our corp but he was a scammer and stole everything we had. So just a warning to future corps DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH: 20121221 or Brutor Ratamnim. Its the same person with the only purpose, to scam corps of their wealth. Well we lost everything, bpos, ships and minerals and he tried to sell them back. We learned our lesson never to trust anyone again thanks to him. To other pilots fly safe - Alex Deiters
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.18 19:05:00 - [2] Well my mate granted him access I wasn't online. Just came online to see everything gone. Well thats just life I guess.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 13:58:00 - [3] Edited by: Alex Deiters on 19/11/2009 13:59:06 Here is a chat with the scammer: [ 2009.11.17 23:17:32 ] Alex Deiters > how much for my bpos back? [ 2009.11.17 23:17:35 ] Brutor Ratamnim > oh hey [ 2009.11.17 23:17:43 ] Brutor Ratamnim > didnt see u there [ 2009.11.17 23:17:56 ] Brutor Ratamnim > which ones were yours? [ 2009.11.17 23:18:10 ] Alex Deiters > almost all [ 2009.11.17 23:18:16 ] Brutor Ratamnim > u guys can have it all back for 400 mill [ 2009.11.17 23:18:30 ] Brutor Ratamnim > faded sent the 350 already [ 2009.11.17 23:18:34 ] Brutor Ratamnim > just 400 more [ 2009.11.17 23:18:37 ] Alex Deiters > all the ships and components to t2 production [ 2009.11.17 23:18:38 ] Brutor Ratamnim > and ill give it all back [ 2009.11.17 23:18:48 ] Brutor Ratamnim > no problem [ 2009.11.17 23:18:53 ] Brutor Ratamnim > shoot me 400 and u have a deal [ 2009.11.17 23:18:54 ] Alex Deiters > can you make a contract and then I will pay the last 400 [ 2009.11.17 23:19:06 ] Brutor Ratamnim > this is where faded lost sighht [ 2009.11.17 23:19:10 ] Brutor Ratamnim > 400 then ill trade [ 2009.11.17 23:19:15 ] Brutor Ratamnim > not cuz i cant do a contract [ 2009.11.17 23:19:21 ] Brutor Ratamnim > but cuz its what i do [ 2009.11.17 23:19:29 ] Brutor Ratamnim > 400 mill and u get ur precious bp back [ 2009.11.17 23:19:33 ] Brutor Ratamnim > they r worthless to me [ 2009.11.17 23:19:37 ] Brutor Ratamnim > i dont build stuff [ 2009.11.17 23:19:41 ] Alex Deiters > But you scammed us once what keeps you from doing it again? [ 2009.11.17 23:19:50 ] Brutor Ratamnim > no [ 2009.11.17 23:19:51 ] Brutor Ratamnim > no [ 2009.11.17 23:19:56 ] Brutor Ratamnim > faded bent over [ 2009.11.17 23:19:59 ] Brutor Ratamnim > and asked me too [ 2009.11.17 23:20:03 ] Brutor Ratamnim > trust me [ 2009.11.17 23:20:14 ] Brutor Ratamnim > who gets directors rights within 5 mins of joining a corp? [ 2009.11.17 23:20:14 ] Alex Deiters > ? [ 2009.11.17 23:20:17 ] Brutor Ratamnim > at any rate [ 2009.11.17 23:20:24 ] Alex Deiters > I dont know [ 2009.11.17 23:20:29 ] Brutor Ratamnim > shoot me 400 and ill give it back [ 2009.11.17 23:20:32 ] Alex Deiters > it was a bad mistake [ 2009.11.17 23:20:36 ] Brutor Ratamnim > your call [ 2009.11.17 23:20:44 ] Alex Deiters > what about the macks and hulks [ 2009.11.17 23:20:47 ] Alex Deiters > all back? [ 2009.11.17 23:20:56 ] Brutor Ratamnim > u can have them for a cheap price [ 2009.11.17 23:21:03 ] Brutor Ratamnim > im just talking bp atm [ 2009.11.17 23:21:09 ] Alex Deiters > I want all back [ 2009.11.17 23:21:18 ] Brutor Ratamnim > well 1 thing ata time [ 2009.11.17 23:21:21 ] Brutor Ratamnim > 400 for bp first [ 2009.11.17 23:21:28 ] Brutor Ratamnim > dont waste my time [ 2009.11.17 23:21:29 ] Alex Deiters > give me a total price [ 2009.11.17 23:21:36 ] Brutor Ratamnim > 600 [ 2009.11.17 23:21:43 ] Brutor Ratamnim > ill go easy on the ships [ 2009.11.17 23:21:43 ] Alex Deiters > minerals, ships and bpos [ 2009.11.17 23:21:49 ] Brutor Ratamnim > mins r gone [ 2009.11.17 23:21:57 ] Brutor Ratamnim > only bps [ 2009.11.17 23:21:59 ] Brutor Ratamnim > and ships left [ 2009.11.17 23:22:22 ] Brutor Ratamnim > 600 u can have it all [ 2009.11.17 23:22:26 ] Brutor Ratamnim > shoot me 400 or 600 [ 2009.11.17 23:22:30 ] Alex Deiters > you got to see this from my point of view I came in to see all gone [ 2009.11.17 23:22:37 ] Brutor Ratamnim > no worries [ 2009.11.17 23:22:42 ] Brutor Ratamnim > its like i told faded [ 2009.11.17 23:22:44 ] Brutor Ratamnim > not personal [ 2009.11.17 23:22:46 ] Alex Deiters > I dont trust scammers and just pays in blindsight [ 2009.11.17 23:22:48 ] Brutor Ratamnim > he knows ima pirate [ 2009.11.17 23:23:00 ] Brutor Ratamnim > and he asked me to join after bragging about his wealth [ 2009.11.17 23:23:02 ] Alex Deiters > I need to get something [ 2009.11.17 23:23:04 ] Brutor Ratamnim > well its ur call [ 2009.11.17 23:23:07 ] Brutor Ratamnim > take a chance Its some proof
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 14:04:00 - [4] Well not everything came in the first part here is the next part: [ 2009.11.17 23:23:12 ] Brutor Ratamnim > and pay the 400 or 600 [ 2009.11.17 23:23:14 ] Brutor Ratamnim > or lsoe it all [ 2009.11.17 23:23:17 ] Brutor Ratamnim > it has no value to me [ 2009.11.17 23:23:21 ] Brutor Ratamnim > so i dont care either way [ 2009.11.17 23:23:32 ] Brutor Ratamnim > i have no prob giving it back [ 2009.11.17 23:23:35 ] Alex Deiters > haha take a chance [ 2009.11.17 23:23:43 ] Alex Deiters > you got to say that [ 2009.11.17 23:23:44 ] Brutor Ratamnim > the price was 750 [ 2009.11.17 23:23:50 ] Brutor Ratamnim > faded paid 350 [ 2009.11.17 23:23:54 ] Brutor Ratamnim > only 400 left for bps [ 2009.11.17 23:23:59 ] Brutor Ratamnim > he was trying to get it [ 2009.11.17 23:24:12 ] Brutor Ratamnim > your already half there [ 2009.11.17 23:24:21 ] Brutor Ratamnim > at any rate [ 2009.11.17 23:24:25 ] Alex Deiters > yep problem is that I paid for all of it [ 2009.11.17 23:24:28 ] Brutor Ratamnim > convo or send iskies when ready [ 2009.11.17 23:24:51 ] Brutor Ratamnim > ill hold off on selling for a day ; ) [ 2009.11.17 23:24:56 ] Alex Deiters > Can you log in with 20121221 and make a trade to me so that I can see the bpos [ 2009.11.17 23:24:58 ] Brutor Ratamnim > the bp r trash [ 2009.11.17 23:25:10 ] Brutor Ratamnim > just the ships ill prob sell [ 2009.11.17 23:25:17 ] Brutor Ratamnim > again not worth my time [ 2009.11.17 23:25:22 ] Brutor Ratamnim > u make the 1st move [ 2009.11.17 23:25:29 ] Brutor Ratamnim > then ill make the 2nd [ 2009.11.17 23:25:34 ] Brutor Ratamnim > its not about the isk u see [ 2009.11.17 23:25:36 ] Brutor Ratamnim > ; ) [ 2009.11.17 23:25:40 ] Brutor Ratamnim > its about the YARRR ; ) Judge yourself is it me scamming?
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Neoenderli Sounds like a very legitimate business practice to me. Obviously since he had access to everything, the CEO intended for the corp members to take what they needed. Subsequently, Brutor Ratamnim left the corporation and is trying to conduct a fair business deal with you. You don't seem very interested in his proposed offer. Take it or leave it, in my opinion. Haha lol nice one there. Well I paid the 400 for the bpos and didn't get them so no legit business practice there mate
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:39:00 - [6] Edited by: Alex Deiters on 19/11/2009 16:40:57 Originally by: Raelyf Originally by: Alex Deiters Haha lol nice one there. Well I paid the 400 for the bpos and didn't get them so no legit business practice there mate Were you dropped on your head at some point in the past... frequently? Were you? The problem is not the price its the time invested in research of these bpos. It took a long time to research so of course I will try to get them back.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Alex Deiters on 19/11/2009 16:57:03 Originally by: Raelyf Originally by: Alex Deiters Edited by: Alex Deiters on 19/11/2009 16:40:57 Were you? The problem is not the price its the time invested in research of these bpos. It took a long time to research so of course I will try to get them back. The guy just finished stealing all your crap, then offered to sell it back but refused to give you a contract or any other means of guaranteed legitimacy because he 'doesn't do that'.. and you thought sending him 750mil was a good plan? Really? Well only 400 not 750. I only send him 400, well what can I say he scammed me and the first time when he took all he scammed my mate. The point is that if someone gets contacted by one of those chars I mention in my post be aware. Thats all.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 17:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Lady Spank I will retrieve your items from this griefing sh*twad. People like him make me super angryyyyyy. 250m up front and a further 250m upon successful return of your items. I'm quite confident I can make the target give up the ships as well... we can negotiate on those should I prove victorious. Well sounds fair but right now I don't trust anyone I don't know IRL so if you get me some proof that you got them then I'll pay you. Learned my lesson trusting anyone.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 17:44:00 - [9] Originally by: James Tritanius Edited by: James Tritanius on 19/11/2009 17:14:25 Originally by: Alex Deiters Haha lol nice one there. Well I paid the 400 for the bpos and didn't get them so no legit business practice there mate Originally by: Alex Deiters Originally by: Lady Spank I will retrieve your items from this griefing sh*twad. People like him make me super angryyyyyy. 250m up front and a further 250m upon successful return of your items. I'm quite confident I can make the target give up the ships as well... we can negotiate on those should I prove victorious. Well sounds fair but right now I don't trust anyone I don't know IRL so if you get me some proof that you got them then I'll pay you. Learned my lesson trusting anyone. Man, I wish I met you before Brutor Ratamnim. Ohh your a funny one you
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.19 19:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Utemetsu This is just fail on your part. As said previously, CCP gives you plenty of safeguards to protect against scammers. They don't do anything to harm legitimate players, only deter the scammers; however, I suppose there are people dumb enough to trust anyone. If they don't want to make a contract, don't do it. Well I know that now, the reason im posting is not to complain but to warn other people against those two chars. Yes we made a mistake and yes we learned, im just warning other people. Thats all Never read much about the hole corp thingy because I never needed to know, the corp im in now is not that old so its a first timer corp.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 00:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Kitimortoa Stop lying about innocent people. We all know it was you that took off with the stuff then contracted it up in Jita on an alt. It's bad form to try and ruin the reputations of innocent people. Hehe nice try.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 11:33:00 - [12] Edited by: Alex Deiters on 20/11/2009 11:34:29 Originally by: Kitimortoa I do not need to try, I know forthrightly that you sir are a scallywag and a liar. You come here making baseless accusations and defame Brutor Ratamnim, who I know to be most honorable and honest. Furthermore you lack any sort of sufficient proof, pointing to the fact that you, yourself did indeed take all of the items and auction/trade/sell them off to the highest bidder. You sir are what makes EVE an unpleasant place for the rest of the law abiding citizens of New Eden. I spit on your name, your progeny and your soul. If you weren't a gutless scumbag bent on hiding your own misdeeds and publicly trying to defame Brutor Ratamnim, then I would have pity on your weak mind and sense of honesty. I ask that the rest of C&P exact vengeance on this man for his character assassination of the honorable Brutor Ratamnim. We must bring this charlatan to justice! Well I guess that you are a new or old alt of Brutor Ratamnim. Because he is a pirate. If you see the logs I posted which has been deleted by moderator you can see that Brutor is a real scumbag like you. Well 20121221 got deleted today I think, and yesterday he was bragging about how much that char stole. If I could show you a log without it getting removed but moderator I would gladly show it to you.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Nathan Harrow host the chatlogs elsewhere and link to it????? Eve-files perhaps? Okay first time doing this but here goes: The first one is 20121221 bragging about the theft: Proof 1 The second one is Brutor Ratamnim trying to sell it all back to us: Proof 2 Now I present the proof from logs.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 12:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Alex Deiters Originally by: Nathan Harrow host the chatlogs elsewhere and link to it????? Eve-files perhaps? Okay first time doing this but here goes: The first one is 20121221 bragging about the theft: Proof 1 The second one is Brutor Ratamnim trying to sell it all back to us: Proof 2 Now I present the proof from logs. Please prove these logs haven't been doctored. Well I removed the system names from local,will post them again.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 13:22:00 - [15] Well I removed the system names from local,will post them again. This is the original files with systems removed: Brutor Ratamnim: Proof 1 20121221: Proof 2 How does that prove the originals weren't fakes?? Well I dont have to prove anything more how do you want me to verify it further. If a moderater comes but please close this because there is not coming anything new out of this. This post just goes in loop.
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 15:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Trisa Li Well then it seems as if you've learned your lesson. Also, it's not all that likely the person trolling you was an alt of the scammer. People don't like unfounded accusations, since it is pretty easy to take and post screenshots. Next time at least have some properly-photoshopped screenies ready to post the instant someone questions your proof. Will do that, just given up on these forums, not a lot of people taking stuff serious. Most of the replies is just smacktalk. Wished I made some screenies but then again people will accuse me of using photoshop. So no one can ever really make any proof thats gonna hold. not even logs taken from the eve folder is good enough :D
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Geisladiskur OP fails badly at Eve Hello another alt
Alex Deiters	Posted - 2009.11.21 22:09:00 - [18] Its just funny to see people protecting Brutor :D Well fly safe all here is another feed :D

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